dear lurkers/trolls or whatever you consider yourselves to be,.
how can you read all of the info on this forum regarding un scandal, alleged paedophilia, failed prophecies, u-turn on blood etc.
and not have your conscience affected before jehovah.
to become an ex-jw, one must lurk first, the FACT that Jehovah's Witnesses are reading information here is a HUGE bonus, nothing to be upset about really, it's a long road for everyone, and all take a different path. Hopefully they start the path here.
Nuff said
run
after growing up a jw all my life, i have no clue why people would want to be part of any religion.. i don't get the mormon stuff.
i don't understand the catholic faith.
i really don't understand the muslim beliefs and all their levels and the suicide bombers.
After growing up a JW all my life, I have no clue why people would want to be part of any religion.
I don't get the Mormon stuff
I don't understand the Catholic Faith
I really don't understand the Muslim beliefs and all their levels and the suicide bombers
When I die, I hope I get a chance to tell God/Jesus what I really think of them.
Guess I'm on the highway to hell (AC/DC)
in the may 1, 1988 watchtower, on page 22, a witness, matsue ishii, recalls her first encounter with the bible students in 1928: at the back of our house in tojo-cho, osaka, there was a house with a sign: "osaka branch of the international bible students association.
" assuming it to be a christian group, i visited the house.
"do you believe in the second advent of the lord?
thanks legolas
appreciated !!!!!!!!!!!!
in the may 1, 1988 watchtower, on page 22, a witness, matsue ishii, recalls her first encounter with the bible students in 1928: at the back of our house in tojo-cho, osaka, there was a house with a sign: "osaka branch of the international bible students association.
" assuming it to be a christian group, i visited the house.
"do you believe in the second advent of the lord?
In the May 1, 1988 Watchtower, on page 22, a Witness, Matsue Ishii, recalls her first encounter with the Bible Students in 1928:At the back of our house in Tojo-cho, Osaka, there was a house with a sign: "Osaka Branch of the International Bible Students Association." Assuming it to be a Christian group, I visited the house. "Do you believe in the second advent of the Lord?" I asked the young man who came to the door. "Christ's second advent was realized in 1914," he answered. In astonishment, I told him that was impossible. "You should read this book," he said, handing me The Harp of God.Yet, what does it say about this in The Harp of God? Beginning on page 235:This date, therefore, when understood, would certainly fix the time when the Lord is due at this second appearing. Applying the same rule, then, of a day for a year, 1335 days after 539 A.D. brings us to 1874 A.D., at which time according to Biblical chronology, the Lord's second presence is due. . . . The searcher for truth can find an extensive treatment of this question in Volumes 2 and 3 of Studies in the Scriptures .Another long-time faithful Witness, Jack H. Nathan, recalls his first meeting with the Bible Students:After the war ended in 1918, there was no work available in England, so I rejoined the army and went off to India as part of the peacetime garrison. In May 1920 the malaria flared up again, and I was sent up into the hills to recuperate. There I read all the books I could get my hands on, including the Bible. Reading the Scriptures intensified my interest in the Lord's return. Months later, down in Kanpur, I started a Bible study group, hoping to learn more about the Lord's return. It was there that I met Fredrick James, a former British soldier who was now a zealous Bible Student. He explained to me that Jesus had been present since 1914, invisible to man. This was the most thrilling news I had ever heard."This fellow's recollection is also not supported by the Society's doctrinal history. His own account placed his experience in or about the year 1920, more than a decade before the Society switched their official doctrine of Christ's second coming from 1874 to 1914.
--The Watchtower, 1 September 1990, page 11It is not to question the integrity of the people who recall such personal experiences. Surely it was not their intention to confuse the details of their own story. Rather it illustrates the power of repetitious indoctrination over time to distort a person's recollection. But the real question here is how do such discrepancies could get past the editors of the Watchtower. Are their writers and editors so unfamiliar with their own history, as published in their own literature? Or do even those who write the supposed spiritual nourishment from Jehovah, themselves, become subject to the mind alterating effects of their own indoctrination? Otherwise, how can such blatant misrepresentation be defined as anything less than dishonest? Yet does an organization, which claims to speak for the Almighty Sovereign of the Universe, not bear a heavy responsibility to speak the truth? In conclusion, perhaps they have answered the question as well as anyone:
A religion that teaches lies cannot be true."
--The Watchtower, 1 December 1991, page 7
How could people be giving experiences on the invisible presence of Christ being 1914, when the belief did not start until the 1940's, nowhere in the Harp of God does it state Christ's presence began in 1914.
I remember hearing an experience of a brother who turned down a job at the World Trade Center, to pioneer instead, and of course the following Monday the attacks took place, so Jehovah was protecting him.
Do you think the writing deptartment makes up these experiences ???
Any experiences you heard that made you think it was a little far fetched ???
Could someone please post the original articles form the Watchtower, May 1, 1988 and Sept 1 1990.
http://www.xjw.com/1914lies.html
anyone out there have this watchtower to scan ????.
great website on the belief of christs presence from 1874 changing to 1914.
thanks VW
http://www.xjw.com/1914lies.html
anyone out there have this watchtower to scan ????.
great website on the belief of christs presence from 1874 changing to 1914.
http://www.xjw.com/1914lies.html
Anyone out there have this Watchtower to scan ????
Great website on the belief of Christs presence from 1874 changing to 1914
I'll be back !!!!!!!!!!
for my stuff
let's face the facts about getting ready for a meeting to worship.
it takes up at least 15-20 minutes for a guy to get the 'dub look' on and maybe more for the girls.
do you think god really cares about how we look on the outside or is he more interested in what's on the inside?
this one always bothered me, some people would come to the kingdom hall in jeans (maybe rushed from work), or a little casual, or maybe a new one who had never been to the Kingdom Hall, and the elders would be all over that person, like who cares, the person made it to the meeting, but nooooooo, even that's not good enough.
have you seen my brother
i came across this today and thought it was interesting.
i'm new here to the board and it might be something you guys already know about but if your interested here is the link.
http://www.nsbible.org/pastor_not_founder.htm
I have found on the net, that many Russell followers are very insulted if you call him the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses, it was Rutherford who changed the name in 1931. Just my experience.
